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December 14, 2011


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Journal Entry: Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:27 AM

"See, This proves you are only here for Fame and Fortune.

There are struggling artist on here who are more creative and draw better than you. They don't do fan art out of Dignity. These artist also do it for the ability to draw, You are plainly here for a Dollar and nothing less, It is almost sickening how someone like you can appear and instantly do this while creative people with original ideas, Unlike you, Are struggling.

I am blocking you. I want NOTHING to do with you. Hopefully you won't last too long on here."

- anon

Ok, fair enough, fair enough. I'm definitely here on DeviantArt for the DEVIANT side more than the ART side. Big surprise, right?

Yeah, people stuggle. I'm one of them. Dignity is a relative term though.

Do I WANT to draw boobs, simply for (as you so eloquently put it) "the ability to draw?" Yeah.
Do I WANT to draw ponies, simply for (as you so eloquently put it) "the ability to draw?" Yeah.
Do I WANT to draw sexy ladies, simply for (as you so eloquently put it) "the ability to draw?" Yeah.
Do I WANT to draw fanart of things I'm a fan of, simply for (as you so eloquently put it) "the ability to draw?" Yeah.

Do I get WAAAYYYY more hits, popularity, publicity, and ultimately make a meager living because of it? Yup.
Do I kill two birds with one stone by doing this, doing what I want AND making a meager living off of it? Yup.

Is that SMART marketing? FFUUUCCKKKK YUP.
Do most artists know how to market? FUCCKKKKK NOPE.

Do you need to market to be an artist? Nope.
Do you need to market to make a living? Yup.
Do you need to be skillful, talented, or trained to make a living? Nope.
Do you need to be well known to make a living in this business? Yup.

Is art a business? If you want it to be.
Do the creative and business sides of art CLASH constantly? 'ERRYDAY I'M CLASHIN'
Is this unfair to either side? Not if the artist/illustrator in question truly believes in their chosen ideals.

Did I go to college for an art degree? Nope.
Did I go to college for a marketing degree? Yup.
Is "slugbox" and all that encompasses it the end result of years of study? Yup.

Do I love what I do? Yup.
Even the business side? Yup.
EVEN MORE THAN THE ART SIDE?! At least just as much.
Do I want to draw porn forever? Nope.
Will I always have to, on occasion, in order to make a living? Yup.
Does it bother me? Sometimes.
Does its REALLY bother me? Nope.
Am I a simpleton? A little.
Do I have a lot of fans? Yup.
Do I have a lot of haters? Yup.
Do I love my fans? Most of the time.
Do I appreciate my fans? EVERY. FUCKING. MINUTE.
Do I want to make my NSFW, SFW, OC, PONIES, FANART, AND ARTIST FRIENDS ALL HAPPY AT THE SAME TIME SOMEHOW?!?! Yes... but it's time-consuming... please be patient with me.

Where do I draw the sell-out line? At a subscription service.
Would I cross the line if I needed to? Well, if I NEED to, I NEED to.

U MAD? Yup.
Your fault? Not really. You're clearly on the more "creative" side of art. That's well and good. But if you don't CARE about business or fame, maybe stfu up about how other people have it?

I'm out here to survive, not change the world or uphold ideals. If I can provide some people with some joys and neat pictures while I'm out here, ALL the better! If I can find time to even please myself (not a lot of time for that...) that's the BEST time... But priorities first. Gotta pay the bills, which means drawing that Double Rarity BJ in the hopes I'll get some hits to my website. Luckily, I have absolutely no problem with that image or content. I'd draw it anyway. ... Two birds. One stone.

But you know what the BEST strategy in the world is? Accumulate a following using things that both YOU AND OTHERS love... and then switch to your own stuff. Comic starts next month, y'all. It's a weird one.

In the meantime, though. Enjoy ponies. I do. And a lot of you do too! Woo! Everybody wins!!! In fact, if it wasn't for the ponies, I wouldn't be STARTING a REAL comic. They've taught me SO much in a technical illustrative sense.

On a final note, anon, you seem like the kind of naive fool who would just LOOOVVEEEE Jhonen Vasquez for no reason other than you watched some Invader Zim on youtube... Let's end on some of his words of wisdom! (though really, it's just common sense!)


Getting noticed

Got an email from an aspiring artist who was asking for advice on how to get noticed , how to get attention for work that ISN'T essentially fanart.  I guess the experience on their end is that when they do original pieces, the response is hardly a spark of what they get when they do something referential that people already know.

I figured I'd respond here since it would help more than just one person.

You can NOT get noticed now unless you draw referential stuff.  Sorry, artist.  The universe no longer allows for you to exist without climbing up onto a tower of tired references, eating as much of it as you can, gorging on the festering corpses of what came before or what's popular now and then shitting it back out at the audience you hope to capture, hoping enough of them have their mouths open to ingest what's been ingested ad infinitum  into their "art-appreciation centers".  

That's what you gotta do.  Just get started already.  You're wasting your time if you're not already drawing Legend of Zelda fan art (try cute female versions of Link!), or some Star Wars thing.  My Little Pony is big right now, so stop trying to do anything new and do some Pony art already!

You might think I'm being sarcastic, but that's only because you can't see me wearing my Super Mario t-shirt while I'm drawing Sonic the Hedgehog wearing a Darth Vader helmet.

Good luck, and remember…NINJA TURTLES.



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Steve1345 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
TIL deviantart is a universe to ours and you're either Kyosaki or Eker.
Rebel-Mel Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Student Digital Artist
This may be a rant directed to some uppity members of this site (and a well-deserved one at that), but this honest to god helped me. I've been thinking a lot lately about how best to market my art and develop an audience, and what you wrote here and the quote at the end of your journal really kinda hit the nail on the head for me. It may be a bit strongly worded, but it's only true. I wouldn't stop drawing my original creations if you gave me all the money in the world to do so, but fan art really IS how people gain a following in the beginning. It isn't until after they have an audience that people really start being interested in their original stuff. It's true both on dA and in the actual art world. It's just common sense, but it's kinda amazing how much it flies over people's heads.

And I always thought of selling out as meaning you were doing something you didn't like or didn't want to or was contrary to your values/beliefs for profit. If you love what you do, how in the world is that selling out? God forbid artists make money by doing what they love.
anime-lord001 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2011
:/ Your last bit made me feel like I should get working now if I ever want to get good at drawing. lol Not the first time i've ran into that, but it was it interesting to read.
Lionel23 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2011
Hey Slug, I've visited your LS a few times but you're usally surrounded by your fans, but I wanted to comment on this.

This anon guy has no idea what artists all do. There are plenty of amatuers and professionals here on DA (joystiq frequently links an artist's DA page for game development art) and I see nothing wrong with your art. And I see nothing wrong with getting paid for what you like to do either.

I frequently come on DA to find artists to ask for commissions, and many artists I find through things I like (for example I found you out through your excellent pony art). And I can attest that as a writer that you have a valid point in the view with fanart and other 'hot' things out there. My original illustrations didn't get noticed as much until people started to visit my DA page for the fanart stuff and then gravitated to the original things, so I 100% agree with you on what you're saying..

Anyway, probably rambling at this point but just felt I needed to comment ^^
Dualmask Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I gotta fave this journal because you're a stronger artist than I am. As much as I would love to be more noticed and get more commissions, I don't have the fortitude to draw fan art or porn... though I've nearly gone there in the past. Plus I worry too much about my daughter seeing my artwork.

I get it. The idea is to use something people like, like Pony art, to see to get people to notice your original stuff. I just can't do it. I wish I could. That's why I am impressed by you even though I never heard of you before someone I know linked me to your journal. Do your thing.
hikarushirou Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2011
Sooo what if you want to be poopular but you don't want to draw exposed breasts and / or naked ladies/men but are fine with fanart?
Mr-Macky1000 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student
don't draw that, you can get popular without drawing that.
hikarushirou Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
That's the problem that I see on dA. In the past few years it seems unless you draw or take pictures of naked females (mostly) or you draw fanart or are in general a WONDERFUL artist, you're less likely to get noticed. =/

People tell me to advertise but honestly my webpage link is on like EVERY site I'm connected to (which is over 500 entries if you google my username XD) but it still seems I don't get the attention I think I need would prefer. :shrug: I could just be an attention whore / whiny git who thinks she should be popular.
Mr-Macky1000 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Student
think about what you are competing with. Thousands of other artists. Yes, fanart and boobs are going to be more popular, it's what people love. If you want the popularity, you gotta give the people what they want. Now does that mean making things you're morally against? No.

However, fanart people adore. And it takes a while to get the attention. If I could give you a suggestion, diversify your gallery. You're stuff is cute, but kinda a lot of the same. Don't take offense, I'm just trying to help. But bringing variety in design always helps.
hikarushirou Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011
Which is why I don't do it! I don't have a real problem drawing breasts but honestly don't want to and if people can love my art without that being the focus then I'll keep doing what I do.

None taken. I actually want people to comment on my works from time to time but usually just get tons of faves on those bloody stamps I created. :doh: And without the input I honestly don't know what to draw! ^^; Aside from cute fluff. I've been practicing guys but they always turn out so girly. =p

Thanks for the random input / comments / support~ =)
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