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Seriously Hoenn

Journal Entry: Wed May 7, 2014, 9:10 AM

This is my FULL TIME JOB, and I depend on your support and generosity to make ends meet! I don't believe in subscriptions, paywalls, or premium content. Those suck. Everyone should be able to enjoy my work if they want, and support me on their own terms if they'd like to! All of my work is free, and I live off of prints, merch, and PAY-WHAT-YOU-WANT content, available at my website below!

Pay-What-You-Want's like a donation, but you also get cool art,
sketches, wallpapers, and other stuff! Which is better than a donation!





I usually keep my non-art stuff to my personal blog... but I really love Nintendo's franchises, so here:

Seriously tho. Nintendo planned for 9 million Wii Us. They adjusted that to just 2.8 million in January. They didn’t even make that by the end of the fiscal year. And console projections for this year are down 60%, what with Sony and Microsoft putting Nintendo in the corner. These are NINTENDO’S predictions. They are PREDICTING Smash and Hoenn won’t help.

3DS sales were down by over 5 Million. Even with Pokemon. It’s bad man.Diehards have gotten into this habit of responding with the fact that Nintendo’s sitting on a few billion in reserves, but that’s normal for any large company, and is in no real way a factor or measure of your success. Cash reserves are a VERY BAD THING unless you’re turning a PROFIT. Business doesn’t work on cash reserves. Money saved is money not invested.  Money lost in investments is money poorly invested. And compared to Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo’s REAL competition, Apple and Samsung, they have useless cash reserves, zero investments, and zero clout. It’s your stock value and ability to please your stockholders that ultimately determine your success. If you can’t prove your stock worth, and can’t prove your FUTURE’S WORTH, it’s a no go. Companies have folded with more. They do every day. A three year loss of $1,180,000,000 is rreeaallyy bad. Especially bad for a GAMES only company. They’re got nothing else to go on or shift focus to. 

Nintendo, historically, uses a very positive and upbeat business image. That’s really why fans don’t seem concerned. It’s a good strategy. The fans get funny videos and executives and their Hoenn remake! But it’s a a plan that only masks the problem, and only to a small amount of people. Fans are great, but Nintendo dumped a huge portion of their cusp-of-adulthood fans with the original Wii. Fans that could still be loyal, but are busy on COD and Battlefield now. And fans spend the same as an average parent buying for the kid or themselves. The parents and kids continue to choose iPhones and PS4s over NIntendo’s offerings. With understandable reason. Go big for your living room. Go multi with your handheld. It’s proven what people want. And there’s literally nothing that can be done about it. Nintendo lacks the experience, resources, and staff to push the company into other fields. And it’s way too late for that anyway. Decades too late. Nintendo themselves are projecting a minimal $390 million profit this year. THIS YEAR. WITH TWO SMASH GAMES (one that will cannibalize the other) AND HOENN. I’m NOT saying Nintendo is “going out of a business,” a vague term that can mean whatever good or bad thing you want it to. I’m just saying that factual and proven BAD TIMES ARE HERE.

Personally, I’m wondering just how far it has to go before Nintendo goes mobile 3rd party. Even with the 3DS outperforming the Wii U, handhelds will get axed before their consoles. I’m excited for Hoenn. And 3DS Smash. But I think it’s important NOT to fall into Nintendo’s over-exuberant front. I think everyone needs to be realistic about the situation and what needs to be done to turn a profit in a company that doesn’t have the time to branch out, and has completely lost support from the all important general audience. DLC POKEMON AND SMASH CHARACTERS. MAKE THE FANS WORK FOR YOU.



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SoulSiIver Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
they will probably do the same as X and Y...
a simple story, nothing to do after ...

sometimes i dont get nintendo :/ 
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leviadragon99 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Yeah... it's a bad spot for Nintendo, I don't know how they're going to get through this, but I hope they do, they're a remnant from an earlier time, when things were not necessarily better... but where developers and publishers didn't do the kind of bullshit that's so common in the games industry today.

Granted, looking at Nintendo's own business history, they did some strongarm tactics of their own when they were back in a position of power, but I'd still rather have them than a bunch of EA-clones running the show.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I should also note that the statements you're making now are the same ones people have been making about nintendo since the 80s.
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Slugbox Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Nintendo didn't become a publicly world traded company until 1996...
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, but they have been going to trade shows since before that. There were people who were saying the NES would fail back when atari consoles were still big. Every time nintendo does something, gimmicks get tossed around as a term for long term failure.

They're running into issues recently, but it's not as bad as doomsaying implies.
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JeKL-Is-Hyding Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
I'm going to have to agree with this--but with Slug, too. Slug, you're reasoning is rock solid--you're probably one of the smarter people I've heard talk about Nintendo's current position. Honestly, I agree with you 100%: people are too focused on one game being "Nintendo's Savior" or some crap like that, like how Kill la Kill and Space Dandy were supposed to "save anime" or whatever.

But, let's be real for a moment: Nintendo has always been "in the red". The NES? Released during a time where people thought console games were dead-and-buried. The SNES? Released when Sega had its ultra-hip Sega Genesis, and the attention of an "older" crowd. The N64? Dependent on cartridges when most everyone else had switched to CDs. The Game Boy? The weakest handheld console, compared to the Atari Lynx and the Game Gear. Gamecube? No online. Wii? Barely stronger than the Gamecube.

Again, I can't argue against your solid business reasoning--in fact, I agree. But, I still have a hard time thinking that Nintendo's situation is just *that* bad, when people have been arguing that its end is nigh since the Reagan administration and this is it, we really mean it this time!

Or maybe I'm just talking out of by butt because I never studied business, I dunno.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The main issue I have is that everyone pushes the concept that nintendo needs to be doing what the other companies are doing to stay in the market, when in the long term, doing that is going to be an issue. Theres this big push that the tablet will kill gaming, but it's nowhere close to what people suggest, as it's going to take a long time for it to catch up. Computer/4k gaming on the other hand is already caught up, and all it needs to do is push down its price tag a bit to be more open to console gamers.

This is the main reason why I think anyone who says nintendo needs to stop with the 'gimmicks' and just build a stronger console is missing the point. By building that 'stronger console', nintendo is getting those cross platforms, but is also competing directly against other people who have these same games, and something like the PC would blow that out of the water. By using 'gimmicks', nintendo locks a niche for themselves that no other system can replicate, meaning that more of their games can stay exclusive experiences.

And truth be told, if these consoles really were just gimmicks, then they wouldn't have pushed their consoles as well as they did as time passed. It's also ironic because people talk about wanting innovation in gaming, but when something radically different pops up, it's just a gimmick and completely disregarded as unecessary.


That said, the video game industry is in a kind of bubble, and it's going to kill a lot of mid sized companies who spend far too much compared to their value, and is probably going to open up a lot more space for indie companies to fill into those holes and become the new premeire 3rd party.
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Nefepants Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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LovelessKia Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
I'm still gonna buy nintendo shit as long as it exists because whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
tbh I like my wiiu
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nintendo will never go mobile third party. Mobile third party is actually one of the WORST plans due to the voliatile nature of Mobile. Zynga was king, and then they died to King. And all of this is ignoring that what makes mobile game companies successful is their monetization systems.

There was a recent investor's meeting wherein someone was vying for the same thing and shot down HARD. If nintendo was to cease production of consoles, it's definitely not going to be for mobile games. The closest thing to that currently is the plan to use mobile devices to market their console games.

Further, the sales on the 3DS aren't as bad, and the problem with the Wii U is their marketing; not the quality of the device. The way they marketed the Wii U makes it appear as if it was just an upgrade to the Wii. What they need is some rebranding to do this, and those liquid cash reserves are going to help them keep stable while they correct for error. Investing every penny you have is not as great of an idea as it sounds when you're relying on very major things to maintain cash flow, because if there is a failure in that, it messes with all the other plans that you have to cut from to recoup.

Also, Sony and MS have been looking at similar losses on their consoles, and their actual games divisions are much smaller than nintendo itself. Nintendo is the big fish in the gaming market, as the only companies producing games that are bigger than them are deriving a lot of their income from other products.

You're also incorrect about 'moving into other fields', as that's precisely what nintendo has been doing for over a century now. There is a reason why they still have a high security rating in the japanese stock market, even with declining values in their stocks.


Basically, the mobile market definitely isn't going to subsume nintendo. If anything would, it's going to be lack of investor confidence or them staunchly refusing to fix problems (which isn't going to happen since that's exactly what they'd said they would be doing in the next year with new campaigns and the like).
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theamazingwrabbit Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
yes! i was thinking that i would be very willing to purchase DLC in pokemon games, and i was wondering that since PMD gates to infinity had downloadable dungeons, that they would have some sort of content in X and Y but I was surprised that they really didnt (other than Bank maybe? does that count?)
I would be very willing to pay extra for more clothes for trainer customization, maybe there was potential to buy other non-game-breaking things too. Maybe we'll see it in the hoenn remakes.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
DLC will exist for pokemon, but masuda has rejected completely the idea of PAID DLC, as he feels it takes away from the experience.
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erderti Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist
i have to admit, i dont really like nintendo games, but nevertheless, i do not want them to disapear, they're sort of part of our nerd/geek culture. also, even when games are terrible - not saying nintendo games are, they're not that bad either, but just follow me on this, that still makes it perfect let's play n stufz material. even though i myself dont like the nintendo, and there are quite a lot o nintendo fanboys - anthony from smosh, for example -, the nintendo world isdefinetly meeting a great depression, that'll leave a huge mark on our nerdy culture, completing changing the course of upcoming games that our culture just isnt ready for yet. Therefor, nintendo should be supported to the end.
P.S.: do more game journal entries, they're fucking awesome, i love art, but there are so few good sites that revolve around gaming discussion, and through some extent, gaming is an artstyle and should be part of the DA merchandise, so make more of these, i love them
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Saftkeur Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
The idea of DLC Pokémon is a little cringe-worthy, and I can see it getting some fans up-in-arms. But let's face it, they already do event Pokémon on a fairly regular basis... event Pokémon that *pop* disappear after a week or so and suddenly you can't finish your 'dex. They'd have the more casual fans banging down the doors for the opportunity to spend a few bucks to get that Celebi download again or what-have-you.
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Tiiria Featured By Owner May 7, 2014   Digital Artist
=/ I kinda hated how gimmicky the Wii was and then "omg wii u it's the same thing but with a tablet too wooooooooooo" no that's stupid. Give me your GOOD controllers, Nintendo. Gamecube had a great controller. N64 had a great controller. But I'll probably still be buying Nintendo handhelds 'till the day they die. Love my 3ds. Loved my ds, and my gba too.

When their fans are typically also fans of other game companies, and they aren't competing with the graphics and the traditional style controllers that people like, yeah, people are gonna buy the other consoles over theirs. Especially when a lot of the market is broke-ass 20-somethin's that got hooked on 'em when they were kids. Can only afford one system. I'd buy a PS4 before a Wii U any day. Even for the extra hundred. Sorry Nintendo. =/
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MeisterLi Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Nintendo sits on so much stuff they could make work for them, but instead it seems like their software (non-game) development teams are doing only the most minimal things to make their systems work, which is just not how the market works any more. They could easily take a lot of ideas from Sony, put a spin on them and turn owning the WiiU into a great proposition. And having a 3DS in addition into an even better one. Here's how:

- Have Virtual Console games on both systems if capable. There is absolutely no reason why the WiiU today can play GameBoy Advance games and the 3DS can't. Or why the 3DS has Gameboy games, but the WiiU doesn't. It makes no sense at all. Of course, the 3DS can't really run Gamecube games - those would be an exception. Which brings us to
- Release Gamecube/Wii games on the WiiU store already. We can download them, you can even up-res them. Emulators on PC do it forever already.
- Sync game purchases. If you buy Earthbound on your WiiU, you also get to play it on your 3DS.
- Sync game states. Play Earthbound on your WiiU, go out the house, take out your 3DS and automatically have the same save state there.
- Have a Subscription-Based model for getting access to the Virtual Console games on the WiiU AND the 3DS. Pay a little every month to get access to either all VC games or 5 games a month or so. This could also work with many of the Indie-Releases on WiiU and 3DS.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
<- Have Virtual Console games on both systems if capable. There is absolutely no reason why the WiiU today can play GameBoy Advance games and the 3DS can't. Or why the 3DS has Gameboy games, but the WiiU doesn't. It makes no sense at all. Of course, the 3DS can't really run Gamecube games - those would be an exception.>
So they don't cannibalize each other's sales. If you could get EB on your 3ds, why bother getting it for the wii U? Smash bros for 3DS has a mode exclusive to it for this reason, and there's no doubt that the Wii U version will have its own exclusive mode as well to push it over the 3DS version.

<- Release Gamecube/Wii games on the WiiU store already. We can download them, you can even up-res them. Emulators on PC do it forever already.>
Gamecube yes, Wii no. Wii games are still in print, the system is backwards compatible. Later in the Wii U's life Wii VC titles will definitely be more acceptable, but not currently.

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- Sync game purchases. If you buy Earthbound on your WiiU, you also get to play it on your 3DS.>
As nice as this is, it doesn't really do anything to push sales.

<- Sync game states. Play Earthbound on your WiiU, go out the house, take out your 3DS and automatically have the same save state there.>
This would generate problems for multiple players of the same game unless they were to radically modify the coding in the games to allow for individual save files to each have their own states.

<- Have a Subscription-Based model for getting access to the Virtual Console games on the WiiU AND the 3DS. Pay a little every month to get access to either all VC games or 5 games a month or so. This could also work with many of the Indie-Releases on WiiU and 3DS.>
This might work, but probably would be better with demos. You can download free demo of a VC game. It has a runtime of about 'x hours', and at the end of it, you need to purchase it to continue playing. It lets you try out the game while not costing you money out of pocket. The free demo is what confirmed EO4 for me, same for witch and hero and a couple other games.


Remember, there is a difference between what we want and what would be good for the company's sales. The one you suggested that could work as a model (the subscription one), could work if set up right, but it would only sell subscriptions more than actual games, especially if it gives access to all VC games or 5 games of your choice. If they limited what you could choose it would discourage purchases. More Demos and BOGO offers would probably help push sales. Firehouse discounts on VC titles would probably also help push sales as well.
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MeisterLi Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Well, my ideas about syncing and buying the same game once per System are not really meant to be applied for Cross-Device Titles like Smash Bros. It's more for Virtual Console games, where also the Save State Syncing would be hugely helpful. Heck, even being able to transfer save states from one System to the other for VC only would be a huge advantage. As I said, going on a trip and being able to just continue with the VC SNES RPG you started on your Wii U on the go is a huge plus.

And while you're right that buying the game twice would mean more money, I don't think anyone would actually do that - or at least, not many people. Having the option to buy a game once and use it on both Systems however DOES add a lot of value to the games that can justify the somewhat outrageous prices for VC games better.

Sony is doing really well with selling a subscription (PS Plus) to get little indie-games and meaningless small bonuses. Despite the XBox One having arguably more games at the moment, the PS4 is selling a lot better, an I am sure it's in part because there's something new for you every two weeks to come back to - the subscription HUGELY adds to the perceived value of the System. Even more so for those that get the same game on their Vita as well at the same time. 

Nintendo's Focus needs to be on making the WiiU a more attractive console - it already is a good piece of Hardware, but if people don't see any value in getting it, no price cut in the world is going to save it. Instead, they need to make it more appealing for their existing 3DS userbase - and I think my ideas would help a lot with that. Another good idea would be to allow you to get something for one System and get a tiny other thing on the other. Buying Smash on 3DS unlocks the 3DS Music on the WiiU version and vice versa, for example.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeh, the thing is that they're using platform exclusives as reasoning to try and get more sales. If the Wii U picks up after a better marketing campaigh (which I would not doubt since PS4 XB1 sales are dying down atm) they could reasonably move games over to both and implement a system like that. And yeh, transferring would be better than auto-synching; as then you can have different people using different versions without them hurting each other's progress.

Well, the intent isn't that you'd make them buy it twice, it's that you'd restrict it to specific consoles so you need to have that console to play those things. Also, a decent chunk of VC titles are what I would say is 'fairly priced' since most of the 3ds ones at least are 3-6 bucks, which is only expensive compared to emulator play.

The PS4 got a lot of sales due to the fact that the XB1 was a complete disaster, so the sales that would have gone to XB1 went to PS4 instead, and those sales are starting to die down a bit as well. The PS+ isn't really a system we need implemented either, even if it does compensate a bit. The vita has to few sales to really be considered a reasoning. It's pretty much considered a wash by sony anyways, which is why it isn't getting much support.


The major thing the Wii U needs isn't really 3ds compatibility, as that isn't really going to push sales of it unless getting things on the 3ds generates significant stuff for the wii u. What the Wii U needs is rebranding and a better market campaign, because as it stands, too many people think the Wii U is just a Wii upgrade and don't want to drop 300 dollars on an upgrade. The super nintendo would be suffering the same way if it and the NES names took the places of the Wii and Wii U.
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MeisterLi Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
I don't think there really is much at the moment to sell the Wii U aside from platform exclusives. It's all they have and it's what they're pushing - and 85% of those are made by Nintendo themselves. 

People won't buy a home console to play VC games. There is no way that is going to work, no matter if the 3DS can run SNES games or not. Keeping games exclusive to one or the other platform is just consumer-unfriendly and a stupid idea. The prices are "okay" - altho I have to say compared to say, older PC Titles or even some of the Playstation Network sales for PSOne games and the like, the prices are pretty high.

I don't think the XB1 is still hurting much from that initial backlash - if anything, it probably is hurting from it's price and Kinect integration. But if you look on for example Twitch, you will see that there are WAAAAY more PS4 gamers streaming gameplay from the consoles - very often of those PSPlus indie games - than there are from the XBox one - even with the difference in sales, this difference is staggering - the PS4 is still played a lot an regularly, the XB1 is not.

I wasn't talking about 3DS Compatibility - only some way of making it more useful to own both Systems. Today, you can buy a 3DS or a WiiU and never really see or hear anything of the other System. Which is a huge shame because there's so much opportunity for Nintendo to make people aware of those Systems - with Marketing towards people who own both Systems instead of Marketing that aims just at one of them. If only half of the 3DS owners bought a WiiU, Nintendo would be saved and happy.

Additionally, they need to get their Youtube copyrighting shit sorted out. If the big youtube and twitch streamers with tons of followers aren't allowed to post Nintendo content - than all their millions of followers will never be made aware of all that content - I have a cousin - he's 12 - and he basically gets ALL his information and entertainment from Youtube - and the WiiU and the 3DS are almost completely absent there.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think there really is much at the moment to sell the Wii U aside from platform exclusives. It's all they have and it's what they're pushing - and 85% of those are made by Nintendo themselves.
This is exactly what sells consoles. The more exclusives you give them that are good, the better the console would push. Thing is that they already have a good library that is being overshadowed by that marketing error.

People won't buy a home console to play VC games. There is no way that is going to work, no matter if the 3DS can run SNES games or not. Keeping games exclusive to one or the other platform is just consumer-unfriendly and a stupid idea. The prices are "okay" - altho I have to say compared to say, older PC Titles or even some of the Playstation Network sales for PSOne games and the like, the prices are pretty high.
It won't push sales itself, yeh, but putting them on the 3ds will probably remove what little sway exclusives have anyways. Once Wii U has a proper install base, making them multiplat would be sensible.

I don't think the XB1 is still hurting much from that initial backlash - if anything, it probably is hurting from it's price and Kinect integration. But if you look on for example Twitch, you will see that there are WAAAAY more PS4 gamers streaming gameplay from the consoles - very often of those PSPlus indie games - than there are from the XBox one - even with the difference in sales, this difference is staggering - the PS4 is still played a lot an regularly, the XB1 is not.
You do realize that is PART of the problem right? It was basically the price tag, the kinect integration and several other issues that doomed the XB1, and it's also why you're seeing more PS4 streamers. Their initial sales rush means they have a solid install base and as such are getting the solid streaming, even if their purchase flow has been dying down a bit (and it has). Basically the PS4 has it's great start thanks to a push from a failed XB1 campaign.

I wasn't talking about 3DS Compatibility - only some way of making it more useful to own both Systems. Today, you can buy a 3DS or a WiiU and never really see or hear anything of the other System. Which is a huge shame because there's so much opportunity for Nintendo to make people aware of those Systems - with Marketing towards people who own both Systems instead of Marketing that aims just at one of them. If only half of the 3DS owners bought a WiiU, Nintendo would be saved and happy.
And that's why I suggested BoGo deals for them. Like how they're giving free games to promote sales of other games, they could be doing this with Wii U games, wherein you buy certain select Wii U games and register them on nintendo E-Shop, then you can get a free digital download of a 3ds game; or do the inverse, where if you register 2 select titles from the 3DS (or have registered them), you get a free Wii U title. Large money 'saving' in this case would definitely push sales.

Additionally, they need to get their Youtube copyrighting shit sorted out. If the big youtube and twitch streamers with tons of followers aren't allowed to post Nintendo content - than all their millions of followers will never be made aware of all that content - I have a cousin - he's 12 - and he basically gets ALL his information and entertainment from Youtube - and the WiiU and the 3DS are almost completely absent there.
I think the limitation is that they're not allowed to make money off of the nintendo content. But really they should be sponsoring LPers to play their games, definitely. That's more exposure they need and another prong they can change in a marketing campaign.
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Overlordflinx Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Reality is that Nintendo will always be in the game. Sony and Microsoft can keep having their fight, but Nintendo will never be out of it like one of them could be. They'll never go 3rd party because they have all of the pull and power.
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Slugbox Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
I looked at this account to see if it was a troll account but oh my god I don't think it is.
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Dezenerate Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
Lmao.
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Overlordflinx Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
It's reality. A lot of people think that Nintendo will have to go 3rd party someday like Sega or the sort did; but the reality is that they can't and won't. Granted they may fall down a bit and have to build up some statures again, but they won't ever fall off the map. Some people can be snide and scoff at my ideas, but in ten or twenty years we'll see who's still around and who isn't. Numbers that people draw up can't factor in tomorrow or the day after.

And as far as the games industry goes, taking down something that knows the top and has planned for the top it's hard to knock them off from the top.

But, yes, Slugbox, I am just a troll because I base reality on ideas and not overdrawn statistics and dreary ideals.
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WeirdPonyGuy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
I wonder what would happen if they did like Sega after the Dreamcast, abandoning the console market and developing games for other consoles.
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adekii Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Where's that Pokemon MMO that I've been wanting since before MMOs existed? $15 bucks a month subscription with cash shop bike rentals for fast travel...
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JeKL-Is-Hyding Featured By Owner May 8, 2014
I don't understand why so many people want a Pokemon MMO. First off, how many huge franchises have gone into MMOs and been successful? Star Wars couldn't pull it off, DC couldn't pull it off. It's an even more dangerous move for Nintendo, because there's no guarantee they'll make back their investment on developing the thing. The Pokemon games already do most, if not all, of the things an MMO do without the arbitrary MMO design (they have arbitrary RPG design, admittedly). WoW is dominating the MMO scene, and it doesn't seem like anyone will topple them until they can reinvent the MMO formula. Pokemon X and Y already do all of the things that you'd want from an MMO. Queuing for quests, co-op Gym battles and "making your own gym" are kinda besides the point, and wouldn't add to the experience all that much.
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Tiiria Featured By Owner May 7, 2014   Digital Artist
They so need this. But please not marketed to little kids. Please no. If they did it like a Club Penguin thing I would be so disappointed.
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adekii Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Absolutely!  A fully fledged, "effort went into this" game would be what is needed to revitalize Nintendo - a half-assed attempt like Digimon Masters is simply not sufficient.  The game has to be able to really grab and hook people in.  A multi-faceted battle system, where younger players can play simpler battles and things like EV don't exist, and then a separate more complex system that allows the stats freaks to grind to their "hearts'" content, would help to keep both the hardcore players and the casual/younger crowd without frustrating one or the other.
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Tiiria Featured By Owner May 7, 2014   Digital Artist
Yep. Exactly what they need.
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Cryophase Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really wouldn't mind seeing Nintendo go the way of Sega. There's only a handful of IPs I actually give a shit about, the one I would care the most about releasing a horrible disappointment in 2010. Maybe if they branched out and became a third-party developer, or even gave their IPs to other developers we'd get better games with them, instead of silly remakes and reboots that cater to whatever gimmicky new system they come up with
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Slugbox Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Honestly, that's one of only two choices they have, I think. They could go this way, which is certainly "conceding defeat" in the eyes of a lot of people. But it's the safer long term option. The other option is to hang on for another generation and try to fight for the living room in a more conventional way. But I feel Nintendo's corporate mind is way too out of touch with the real world market to accomplish that.
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Cryophase Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Unless they pull their act together and figure out that gimmicky shit like the Wii U just doesn't sell, I doubt they will last into the 9th generation.
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Biobasher Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Iwota just seems to be the japaese version of that MS CEO last E3, Don mattrick I believe...
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Starboy3027 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Everyone I see on the net has been wanting a Hoenn remake . Not that I mind because I don't have the system to play it on. BUT you'd figure they would try and make PokemonZ (lol instead if mega forms they turn into Super-mons . "Poke' Poke' rock the Poke', Poke'mon Z!)
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nothing says pokemon Z doesn't exist. The way the gen will work is likely going to be:

XY
ORES
Z or X2Y2
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Starboy3027 Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
true. Let's hope for the best though
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Honestly, I don't expect them not to make a Z version. XY were lackluster so they could have people wanting for that Z, and everyone's going to grab that Z.
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Starboy3027 Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah. I mean it's cool that there's a hoenn remake but it just feels a little backwards because I've seen people using Kyogre and Groudon in Gen 6 matches. So it's like meh I have two
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
About half of those are probably pokegenned to be perfect. You should also note that Groudon/Kyogre was an event in HGSS as well, and that there are some ill distributed pokemon from hoenn that kind of did need it.

The major thing is that people will buy it because of remakes, and the game (emerald; which will probably be the basis) also needed the revamp. The lack of P/S split, some other concurrent features, and graphics that aged somewhat poorly were kind of negging the game, and a remake that is instituting all that will pretty much make these two the best games in the franchise.
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Starboy3027 Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So nintendo is playing their cards right. Plus though since they didn't announce an emerald remake I say that requaza should be in both games
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Rayquaza was in the originals. The only difference between emerald and RS for rayquaza is that in the original it was optional, while you had to get all 3 in the third game.

That said, they're probably going to use the emerald plot for the most part, like they worked the crystal plot into HGSS.
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darkone4587 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well techniqally this could've been planned as far back as X&Y's release I mean from past examples the plan seems to be remake a pokemon game every 10 years or so on top of that there is a note in the offcial XY guide about exclusive berries from other regions.
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Stroke1986 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Personaly i would prefer a RE-released NES with all the "hit" titles over the Wii U ...
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AtomicF0x Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That would be pretty baller, actually. It could look the same, but have modern tech and new connectivity.
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daerksiea Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just hope the rights of Metroid goes to someone good so they can fix that ungodly, everyone forget about, not canon Metroid the Other M and give us a good Metroid game that will actually sell the projected numbers on the PS4 and XBOne.

Just saying, I've lost my faith in Nintendo, they've done some bonehead moves and I'm tired of giving them second chances. And releasing two Smash Brothers games? Uh, what? That makes no sense.
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Doubledealer93 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Nintendo keeps itself alive with characters we have seen for 30+ years. And they wonder why salse are bad. Also the last 2 pokemon games were bad. I never finished my Y game or my black 2. I got bored. All hail gaben and his steam valve
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Limpurtikles Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wait, has nintendo confirmed hoenn-remake? It's not just an unfunny meme any more?
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Trakker Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Given how far it will go before 3rd party? Not to beat the "money reserve" drum (like stated), but I believe someone worked out that Nintendo could lose what they did in the past year for the next 20 years and not be bankrupt. Obviously that wouldn't be a good strategy though, I don't think they'd ever go 3rd party, they would probably just restructure and do something else, and we'll lose Nintendo games forever =T

And Which Smash game will cannibalize the other? the 3DS one because of superior numbers? Or the Wii-U one that will be prettier and bigger? They are releasing them at least 6 months apart, and people /are/ gonna buy the 3DS version, and they arn't gonna retroactively un-own the 3DS version when the Wii-U version is out. =3
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